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Michael,
You sir, make me want to be more active in GOE. Thank you for all you do. You and your men are in my prayers. To:
His first line is what got my attention; there is no rank in the Army of Specialist Fourth Class!!!!!!!!!!
There's the rack of Specialist SPC (same pay grade as a Corporal, E4),but no Specialist Fourth Class. Years ago in the Army, we used to have ranks of Specialist 4 (E4, same pay grade as a Corporal CPL ), Specialist 5 (E5, same pay grade as a Sergeant SGT ), Specialist 6 (E6, same pay grade as a Staff Sergeant SSG ), and Specialist 7 (E7, same pay grade as a Sergeant First Class SFC ). Specialist 5,6,and 7 ranks were eliminated by the Army many years ago. Maybe I'm making too much of a big deal about this, and I REALLY hope I'm wrong about this, but a Soldier telling the world that he's a Specialist Fourth Class makes me (with 26 years service under my belt and still serving and a former Specialist 4 myself!) VERY suspicious! Again, I REALLY hope I'm overreacting, and I hope I'm wrong. I hope you Army vets here will at least understand why I'm suspicious. My 2 cents, for whatever it's worth. To:
WELCOME SOLDIER.
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Paul, Specialist 4th Class is legitimate although a bit redundant because the only specialist class that still exists after 1985 is Specialist 4th class. You will see it used alot in obituaries. :(
As for Mike, God Bless You Mike! Not only are you serving our country, but donating your hard earned combat pay. Your story made me cry, but they are tears of pride. You are definitely an Eagle! To:
TROOP....THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME THAT I'VE BEEN AT A LOSS FOR WORDS.
YOU ARE AN OUTSTANDING SOLDIER!! CONGRATS ON YOUR PROMOTION. To:
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It's Specialist, plain and simple! Anyone who is or was in the Army knows this! >>> Yes, I know, and it bugs me when the funeral homes get it wrong too!! Bottom line is, the correct name of the rank is SPECIALIST! Again, my apologies if I'm making a big deal out of this, but I get VERY suspicious when Soldiers don't even know THEIR OWN RANK STRUCTURE! Remember that so-called "marine" who showed up at GOE1 in a SUMMER uniform? I REALLY, REALLY hope this is nothing more than a HUGE misunderstanding on someone's part! To:
MICHAEL AFTER FIVE YEARS INGRADE 1960-65,..ON MY LAST DAY BEFORE I SEWED ON MY BUCK SGTS STRIPES MY COMMANDING OFFICER PUT ME ON KP!!, JUST TO KEEP ME HUMBLE!!,
WORKED..9 MONTHS LATER I WAS PROMOTED TO SSG E-6...18 MONTHS LATER TO SFC E-7. DONT KNOW HOW FAST PROMOTIONS ARE FLOWING IN IRAQ BUT I HOPE YOU END UP A VERY YOUNG SGT MAJOR. VISIT WITH JOE66 AT THE NC G.O.E. TROOP SUPPORT EAGLES NEST http://www.myspace.com/samek1105 FROM A OLD BROWN BOOT ARMY SOLDIER TO ALL YOU YOUNG SOLDIERS IN THE NEW UNION ARMY. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I AM SO VERY PROUD OF WHAT MY UNION ARMY IS DOING FOR FREEDOM DO YOU JOB, PERFORM YOUR MISSION, NEVER LOOK OVER YOUR SHOULDER, THE GATHERING OF EAGLES HAS YOUR BACK HERE AT HOME. IN WAR THERE IS NO SUBSITUTE FOR VICTORY DOUGLAS MACARTHER GENERAL U.S. ARMY RESPECTS. To:
I will vouch for Mike, his service, and his integrity.
Hopefully that's enough to allay fears. If not, I'm not sure what to tell you. ;) To:
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During my time (VietNam Era) Mike would have been called a Spec 4. Perhaps he is just trying to make things a bit more clear for the non-military folks who are reading this. While we are all a bit leary of moonbat infiltrators and wannabes "inside the wire" Mike's passion and Kit's backing are proof enough for me ! Steppin' down; for now Soapbox IF NOT US, WHO? IF NOT NOW, WHEN? To:
Paul, you need to stand down on this one...
Thank you Kit for confirming Mike's status... It never ceases to amaze me that some of these individuals like SSG Chambers, and Mike, who are already serving our country, go so far above and beyond. To:
I forgot to add... Please.
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Salute to you Mike.
I know I sleep well every night knowing you guys are taking care of business. GOD BLESS YOU AND AMERICA One small question though. How much does the Army pay you guys these days. Hell we used to get $90 a month! haha To:
Well I have to agree with Paul on this on that specialist 4th class threw me too, if Kit says he is legit I can buy that. Doc the pay is a lot better now when I made pvt E-2 in 1987 I was making 736 dollars a month. I make a lot more than that now you can go to the mypay homepage and get current pay charts if you are curious as to what we make now.
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Michael, my family and I are honored by your service and dedication to our nation. We understand and appreciate the sacrifices of you and your fellow soldiers. For you to reach out and support GOE financially as we strive to support you is simply amazing. And inspiring! Please extend our thanks to all your colleagues for keeping us safe and free. God bless and stay safe!
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I know the members here with GOE are proud to have you with us, Mike! We will keep you in our prayers till you arrive safely home 2 months from now! Thank you and your buddies for their service and keeping us Free!! Keep up the great job!
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Just....DAMN! DAMN!!! What an absolutely AWESOME young man this is! THANK YOU Michael! You embody the most profond expression of the term "America's best"!
God bless you and keep you safe, and may He make your aim true and your fires accurate and may MANY of the enemy fall by your hand! HOOAAHH!!! To:
Coop
Welcome back, we've missed you! To:
OK EAGLES IF I MUST!..WHEN I ENTERED THE UNION ARMY in 1958, second enlistment, I WAS PAId $79.00 A DAY...ONCE A MONTH!!.
I CONSIDERED MYSELF RICH, AS WORKERS WERE PAID LESS THEN $1.00 PER HOUR IN CIVILIAN LIFE. HATS OFF TO THE TROOPS, WHAT EVER YOU ARE PAID IT IS NOT ENOUGHT. I OFFER MY RESPECTS TO YOU ALL, YOU ARE NOW THE REPLACEMENTS FOR THE OLDER VIETNAM VETS, WHO ARE LEAVEING THIS EARTH FASTER EACH DAY I AM SURE YOU WILL DO THE JOB QUITE WELL. PLEASE,. NEVER EVER LET ANYONE TRY TO BURDEN YOU WITH THE HATE FILLED TREATEMENT WE VIETNAM VETS ALLOWED OURSELFS TO TAKE FOR YEARS. STAND YOUR GROUND NOW, STAND YOUR GROUND WHEN YOU COME HOME. NEVER LET ANYONE WHO FOUGHT FOR YOUR SURRENDER ON THE BATTLE FIELD TELL YOU ANYTHING...PERIOD!!, THEY HAVE NO RIGHT. STAND PROUD, FOR UNLIKE YOU SIR, MANY OF TODAYS YOUTHS ARE AT THE MALL, THEY ARE LIVING THE GOOD LIFE ON YOUR DIME. RESPECTS To:
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You're probably right; actually, I HOPE you're right! >>> And if Kit backs him, that's good enough for me!!!! To:
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I will but ONLY because Kit will vouch for him!!!! To:
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I will too. And Thanks Joe, for knowing where I'm coming from!!!! To:
Mike,
It is indeed a pleasure to hear from you, to know that you are carrying out your orders and mission with pride and purpose, and especially to know that you will be coming home soon. As a former Sp/4 who later attended OCS and retired in a Field Grade, I can say with authority that you epitimize the ideal soldier, American, and GOE member. Thank you for your service, your suppot, and your willingness to defend us with your life on the line. And for the CW3 gentleman, I entered the Army in 1958, too, but not being prior serive, I started out on $78.00 per month. But this is not about us, nor is it about the suspicious gentlemen who were concerned about your reference to being a Specialist Fourth Class and it's dated usage (whose legitmate concern is due to moonbat misconduct in the past) (and most of us know that moonbats do not believe in thier causes enough to put money on them); it is about YOU and the great job you and your buddies are doing. I would also like you to look at our web site when you have the opportunity as we established it to support you guys and gals by focusing on the positive things you are doing under difficult and dangerous circumstances -- the kind of things our media is refusing to talk about. When you read the (daily changing) articles on our web site at: http://www.tpatch568.us, you will learn about the good a lot of your comrades around the country, and in Afganistan, are doing. You are wining this war and we are behind you 100 percent. To:
I am glad we are all on the same sheet of music on this one
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Mike and Joe66,hope this is a good & safe day for you both.When we have a Specialist 4th Class that is not only serving in harms way but is donating $100 every paycheck to an organization like GOE,I would have to say he's a damn sure better man than me.Mike stating his rank as Specialist Fourth Class is a PISS POOR reason to throw suspect darts at the soldier.Really not much difference than a Seargent as Sarge,Highest ranking NCO in a Unit as Top,REALLY JUST A JOB DISCRIPTION.Mikes job description is why he is a Specialist and not a Corporal and both being E-4 grade.Pvt E-1 no insignia,Pvt E-2 1 slash,Pvt 1st Class E-3 1 slash w/rocker,Specialist E-4 Eagle on Patch,Corporal also E-4 2 slashes,Sergeant E-5 3 slashes and on it goes.With Mike stating Specialist Fourth Class and exspecting promotion to Sergeant,i'm sure is explaining his current pay grade.WITH HIS ASS IN Harms way,DONATING with the pay HE receives to SERVE IN HARMS WAY says a hell of alot more ABOUT his character AND HIMSELF, than his description of his rank.MIKE & JOE66, GOD BLESS YOU GUYS AND THANK YOU EVERYDAY YOU SERVE.
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I missed the part where he said he was getting promoted congrats mike welcome to the NCO Corps I also am serving in Iraq and awaiting promotion to E-7 I'll be going home about the same time as you keep your head down and stay safe, when we get back stateside first beer is on me to celebrate the promotions
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Joe,good to hear from you,lets us know your still on duty and ready to kick somw sandrats ass.Didn't mean to throw out any spikes but GEEZ,I'm thinking here is an in country soldier not only serving in harms way but is taking a substanial amount of money per pay period and donating it to GOE.Accomplishing this at a lower pay grade and then being suspect because he adds Fourth Class to Specialist.Hell i didn't even know the Army quit using Spec 4,5 & so on in 85.Yes there are moonbats out there that slip in every now and then but i didn't read 1 word that was negative of the Iraq mission or any other conflict currently being faced by todays troops.Questioning this soldiers integrity over the 4th Class wording was just assinine in my opnion.Stay safe Joe and come home soon.You men and women deserve the best this country can offer.
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FYI,...PLEASE USE THE BELOW LINK FOR THE TERRORISM AWARENESS PROJECT TO GAIN INSIGHT INTO THE CURRENT JIHOD , WORLD WIDE, WE ARE NOW FIGHTING IN IRAQ & HERE IN AMERICA. PLEASE BOOKMARK THIS SITE,.. AS IT IS UPDATED OFTEN.ALSO PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. http://www.terrorismawareness.org/ PLEASE NOTE THE WORDS OF O.B.L. DURING THE "JIHOD" VIDEO,.. TO ATTACK & KILL AMERICAN MILITARY & CIVILIANS,.. WORLD WIDE. REMEMBER THE RECENT ATTACK ON THE U.S. ARMY IN NJ?. ANY QUESTIONS WHO ORDERED THE ATTACK?. To:
JOE66 BEFORE YOU LEAVE IRAQ PLEASE FIND ANOTHER GREAT SOLDIER TO JOIN THE G.O.E. & POST WITH US HERE. YOUR WORDS FROM IRAQ ARE THE THINGS WE EAGLES WORK FOR BACK HERE AT HOME. YOU INSPIRE & INFORM, WE FIND JOY IN YOUR WORDS. THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO JOE, PLEASE PASS THAT ALONG TO ALL YOUR TROOPS FROM THE G.O.E..
LET ME KNOW HOW YOU LIKED THE VIDEO'S FOUND AT THE TERRORISM AWARENESS PROJECT. PLEASE FORWARD THIS SITE AROUND OVER THERE, THANKS. To:
George I am doing just that I gave him the address here and told him to check it out I also gave your myspace page to my warrant officer told him to check it out
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George ask Jim to forward the email I sent him from one of my Sgt's
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Yes they quit using the spec 4 and 5 only use specialist now I think they should do away with that and just make all the E-4's corporals I have a couple specialists I wish I could pin corporal stripes or sgt stripes on right now and when I transfer I am trying to take some of them with me.
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Larry, the Soldier in question stating his current rank as Specialist 4th class raised a HUGE red flag for me as a Soldier. ANY Soldier past or present would have reacted the way I did. Like I said before, I REALLY, REALLY hope that it's a HUGE misunderstanding on someone's part! And like I also said previously, if Kit will vouch for him, that's good enough for me!
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Paul,i'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you but #1 this young man was introduced by Larry Bailey #2 Kit had given Larry the information about this soldiers continued donations of $100 every payday and his continued pledge to continue to do so #3 Larry invited the SPECIALIST to give the GOE some info about himself and of everything he wrote,he describes himself as Specialist 4th Class and THAT THROWS UP A HUGE RED FLAG.There is only 1 person that has walked on this earth PERFECT.I spent 9 years in the service and did fine while in the field,both in NAM as a grunt both tours and in training at Ft.Bragg and Border Guard in Germany,but in garrison i just couldn't do the nit picking bull.But even in garrison i've never heard someone correct a soldier calling another SARG OR TOP by saying "My correct rank is Sergeant First Class or Sergeant Major" Last,NO, this ex-soldier did not react the way you did and still continues to state "I REALLY,REALLY hope that it's a HUGE misunderstanding".I WAS AND STILL AM MUCH MORE IMPRESSED BY HIS SERVICE TO HIS COUNTRY,HIS WILLINGNESS TO PUT HIS ASS ON THE LINE & AT THE SAME TIME FINANCIALLY SUPPORT GOE.You Sir can continue to have your opnions and views and i can continue to have mine.We can just agree to disagree.THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS THAT WE ALL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT OUR TROOPS AND THE MISSION.
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Damn ! Enough already ! Paul has backed off even apologized. It is what it is, a miss understanding. Can we move forward now, please?
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Soapbox,with all due respect,this is a forum for ALL the participants to write what they are concerned with.Enough already is your opnion and unless you are the GOE police,i'll say i'm done,when i'm done.There seems to be a consenses of a few (group) that deems what is right and what is wrong to post on this forum and when the discussion should END.i WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU CONCERN YOURSELF WITH YOUR THOUGHTS AND POSTS AND LET ME OR OTHER VETS DECIDE WHEN THEY ARE FINISHED.
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I also wonder why we have not heard from Mike after his letter in response to Mr. Bailey.
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